Live blogging! The Kite Runner: Chapters 21 and 22
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(1) Please reference by name to whom you are responding. Ex: I agree with Clay's comment about Gatsby's childlike approach to love, but I think we need to give Gatsby more credit because he is the only character in this novel who stays true to his love.
(2) Please use correct punctuation and spelling (as always).
(3) Hit the F5 key to refresh. You will need to do this continually in order to see everyone's comments.
(4) Try to find a balance between listening to the inner circle and having your own blogging discussion on the outer circle. Please don't abandon the inner circle altogether.
posted by Kristin L at 6:05 AM
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Alright lets start this and have a GREAT time doing it!
Why do you think adultry is considered such a huge crime?
Jade i think Adultry is such a huge crime because they betray the bond of love and loyalty that they swore on their life to abide by.
I think that it was because it was "the woman's fault." They don't like to be embarrassed of things that are not acceptable in their culture. It has a lot to do with honor and pride.
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I believe that the ten commandmants is part of Islam as well and to these extremests the word of God is law
I agree with Jessie. So much of the Afghans culture is based on pride and honor. Adultry betrays the pride and honor of everyone involved.
I agree with Jessie about her comment of it being the "woman's fault" in terms of seduction and what not. I fell the Taliban punish aldultry so harshly in order to keep everyone in their place and make and example of those that break tradition
I agree with Jessie because it does also have a lot to do with honor and pride. In other countries men care more about their pride and value that more than they do their own marriage. If a wife were to embarrass him in such a mannor like cheating than it would show a bad judge of charactor on the mans part making him look like a fool
In the inner circle, I do think that the Taliban has brainwashed the public because it is only their way. People are scared like Josh said because what happens if they dont think like the Taliban. They could be killed and people don't want to leave their children behind.
I agree with Amy, I don't think that knows what real Aghanies go throught day to day
It’s a huge crime because you are married to a person and then you cheat on that person. It’s a sin! But in Afghanistan, it’s considered less than a sin because of they way they live. Except for the higher class people.
I agree with nathan, I believe that the 10 commandments are a big part of the Islam society.
Brainwashed the afghanis?
Yes i would agree that the Taliban has brainwashed the Afghani's and also with Ben it could be more fear than not knowing.
knowing they can but not doing it because of the fear of retribution
why do you think adultry is so common in america?
Sorry Ms. Kakos about my poor punctuation
I agree with Amy, I don't think that knows what real Aghanies go throught day to day
I agree with Julianna D.A. about how the Taliban is trying to brainwash everyone. The only problem is, no one is believing them and their attempts.
All that the Taliban do is to keep the Afghanis in line. Fear is such a powerful force it doesn't allow anything else to exist
I think that adultry is comon in America because people get bored. They get tired of their spouse and a new and different person. I think that people want to be risky going behind someones back to get a fun life. Many people dont appreciate what they have.
I agree with what Julianna said about adultry happening a lot more. People get bored, their spouses are out, who wouldnt want to do something for entertainment, to put it lightly. As bas as it sounds, its true.
I agree with Leah in finally burying it and having it fully unearthed really has helped him be at peace with Hassan's memory.
Amir feels at peace about being beaten up because he wanted to be punished for what he did, he felt better about himself now because he felt free about his past and childhood.
I think he laughs when he gets beat up because he finally got his "punishment." It made him feel at peace and finally "heal." He now knows what Hassan went through. He feels like he can now move on.
I think Amir feels at peace while he is being beaten up is because he now understands what Hassan went through and now he can let the pain and stress go. And now he doesn't feel as guilty.
I think Amir feels like because he didn't stand up for Hassan, this is his way to make things right. He is being beaten up and brooken just like Hassan and he is makeing everything right by takeing in his son.
I think maybe the author made Sohrab* look like the spitting image of his father because then Amir can see Hassan once again.
HEY EVERYONE!!!
So on 289
I would say that finally the tension is released and he amazingly is free of his guilt.
Finally hedoes not have the memory of how he let a friend down anymore.
Sohrab good with a slingshot and look alike mean anything?
Yes I would say that this brings the salvation for Amir twoards the end because he can finally right all of his terrible wrongs.
Earlier in the book Amir had thrown fruit at Hassan to provoke him into hitting him.
Amir had wanted Hassan to hit him, to punish him for what he had done (or mroe specifically, not done)
Now, as Assef is beating him up Amir is finally getting the punishment he had wanted for so long
I agree with Jessie about the punishment. I also think that now he can move on, but that doesnt mean he's going to forget.
I agree with David. Amir see's this fight as a fight of his past trying to make things right. I also think that by doing this for Hassan's son does make up for not doing anything in the ally way because Hassan would want the best for his son and Amir taking him away from the bad is the best.
The tree gives Amir confidence because he still has that one place that wasnt destroyed, it showed peace in an area of turmoil and violence. It still represents the friendship between him and Hassan.
What does returning to the tree do to Amir?
I would agree with Amy in that it will release him so to speak.
also with ms Kakos Rebirth is an interesting idea to bring up and it really does make sense with how the bookk is going.
Agree with Saryn. The tree appears to give him what hope that he has left & a sense that he has something left to hold onto.
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I think Amir returns to the tree because he wants to feel what he once had. The tree is symbolic of a life that was simpler, when he and Hassan would run and play without any worries. The world Amir once knew is all but destroyed.
Assef had blonde hair and blue eyes, superior, just like Hilter (his idol) wanted. Assef was set apart from everyone else so you knew he WAS different.
I agree With Culpy Highly and Good wording too!
I think Hosseini made Assef look different becuase he stands apart from everyone in ideas as well. In the beginning, he supported Hitler. Later, he hides his blue eyes by wearing "John Lennon" sunglasses. His appeareance could be used as an excuse for acting differently
Similarities between Hassan and Sohrab.
When Amir and Hassasn were tweleve, Hassan saved Amir by threatening Assef with a slingshot
Now, Sohrab saves Amir by shooting Assef. The book had said Hassan told Sohrab about Amir, and possibly instilled a love for Amir that caused Sohrab to defend him.
I agree with Julanna, he might think that he disserves to be beaten but in reality it's not going pay of for what he did to Hassan. I think that he should help Hassan’s son just because he needs help not just for payback for Hassan.
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Chapter 23 now!
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I think that Amir didn't think about Assef joining the Taliban, but it wasnt a surprise that he was going to join.
I think Amir will make an escape from the Taliban because he is already leaving, when he still could barely walk. And Amir is the main character, there is a possibility the author wont let the main character die.
Do you think that they will ever be able to escape the Taliban?
i think if he knew about the taliban when he was a kid he would have been able to predict it
I dont think that Amir will escape because he will be to scared just like he has been to scared to do alot of other stuff throughout his life.
I could see that Amir saw somethinng evil in Assef not necissarily the Taliban because it did not exhist but also because the book that Assef gave him could fit.
Assef was evil and he really fit the description for the type of person who whould believe in racial cleansing like Hitler
I think itss kind of symbolic of the theme in the book. Everything comes around. This is just Amir's past ctaching up with him.
oops a little late for that one
Do you think that if Amir does escape the Taliban, he will take Sohrab with him? Because as Blake said they are starting a relationship, and the people that were suppose to take Sohrab, are not there anymore.
I agree with molly, I really think he is going to take sorab back to the U.S. because the author really built it up by making it so Amir can't have kids of his own.
Is Amir surprised that Assef is a member of the Taliban?
Amir is not surprised that Assef is in the Taliban.
If it were not for Assef, would Amir meet Sohrab? Did it have to be Assef?
In order tp bring the story full circle it is necessary for Amir to face his past, not only in Sohrab, but in Assef as well. The author made Amir meet Assef because Assef is the symbol of Amir's past and the event that caused everything to change
do you think that assef giving him a heirlip mean somthing greater?
I also think that that old dude made up those names to make Amir go get Sorab but really wanted Amir to take him as his own.
Amir's split lip is another symbol of the story coming full circle and Amir suffering just as Hassan had.
do you think it is karma for assef to lose his eye?
Irony of Assef's loss of his eye?
Yes, Assef's loss of his eye is ironic and is yet another example of the past manifesting itself.. Hassan had threatened to take out his eye when they were twelve and now Hassan's son carried out that threat.
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I think it was fair for Assef to lose his eye. He was such a mean person and he got what was comming to him.
Amir getting a clean Slate?
Well lets see that AMir first of all is actually going to Afghanistan sorry I try to get my irony out of life but I could not resist.
Assef's lost eye
I would say that this book does have some form of foreshadowing and I think that Assef did deserve to lose his eye because he did terrible things. An eye for an eye is a fitting description for what happens. Also I do think that religion got back at him by repayment for his sins.
Yes it is ironic that Sohrab had a slingshot just like his father. The author has related so many things from Hassan to Sohrab. Sohrab is picking up where Hassan left off.
The inner circle had said Wali and Kamal knew what they did to Hassan was sinful and didnt want to do it but did anyway, but Assef was the leader.
However, isn't it a greater crime to know what you're doing is sinful and refuse to stop it than to be a sociopath and not recognize your actions as sin?
I agree with David, i think that Assef diserved to lose his eye
In response to Alyssa's question I think that it is worse to not know what you are doing is sin. If you do something bad and didn't know that it was bad, that's kind of an excuse but it's worse to know that what you are doing is bad.
I think that because the orphanage director says about the slingshot this made it so that it was, sohrab always carried around the slingshot and he is excellent with it!
Deeper meaning in I know who I am and I hurt everywhere.
I would say that this makes it seem as though the pain is leaving him finally that he gets free of guilt and he has repayed his debts for his sins.
I think that because the orphanage director says about the slingshot this made it so that it was, sohrab always carried around the slingshot and he is excellent with it!
Deeper meaning in I know who I am and I hurt everywhere.
I would say that this makes it seem as though the pain is leaving him finally that he gets free of guilt and he has repayed his debts for his sins.
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